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    A speaker physics question.

    When sound comes out of the back of the speaker does it come out perpendicular to the cone or perpendicular to the face?

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    Re: A speaker physics question.

    Direction is frequency dependent, same as front of cone. Lower frequencies are less directional. Since HF is too short to make the turn in a reflex or too short to flow around a finite "infinite" baffle, my answer is neither.

    GM should chime in here, more his area than mine.
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    Re: A speaker physics question.

    I did a test with a 3 x 3 block of 1/2 plywood in a cookie pan of water, as i tapped one corner the waves came off perpendicular to the two opposite sides. I'm betting that the sound comes out perpendicular to the cone. call me corny but it's one way of seeing it. In case your wondering I'm trying to come up with a back loaded horn cabinet design for a winter project.

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    Re: A speaker physics question.

    I'm not sure that test holds water.

    You are using the force from the speaker to accelerate water. A test with something much lower in mass would be in order.
    Regardless sound just plain does not travel in a perpendicular line. An ideal point source has a spherical pattern.

    The sound is gonna emanate in a pattern of some sort. Never perpendicular. And you really don't need that info to design a rear loaded cab.

    I would suggest looking at successful designs for inspiration, cobble and try works, eventually. Must better to modify existing designs to your needs.

    Padding the sides deals with reflections. Just concentrate on the loading itself.
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    Re: A speaker physics question.

    I hear you OG but if you yell hello in a cave and it hit's a wall parrallel to you it will come back. Same with yodelers in the Swiss alps so if you direct the sound in an orderly manner out of the cab instead of letting it rattle around inside you'll reinforce the SPL and eliminate that sound waves bouncing around in a wooden box sound. Here is a couple I'm working on the first one is 40W by 24D by 36H The second one is 48W by 24D by 36H. I reread what you said and I agree that the sound waves expand as they leave the source but only because they are not directed by a hard surface, For instance when people are talking in a boat on a calm lake. Even if they're way out you can almost hear what there saying because their voices are directed along the hard flat surface of the water. By loading do you mean creating some back pressure? Because I would think the basket does that to a degree on the back of the speaker.
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    Re: A speaker physics question.

    Yes, if you yell at a parallel wall it comes back, that still does not mean the sound travels in only one direction.

    The box designs you show will work, but won't have anything resembling flat response.

    Splitting the horn in two creates two small mouths, to a certain extent LF response is dependent on mouth area . Designs like you show were abandoned some 50 years ago.

    A "scoop" like the JBL is a much better idea. You still are gonna have massive phase issues. The response graph is gonna look like a roller coaster. Not so much an issue for a sub, problem for wider range.

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    Re: A speaker physics question.

    Quote Originally Posted by cradeldorf View Post
    When sound comes out of the back of the speaker does it come out perpendicular to the cone or perpendicular to the face?
    Ignoring any potential HF reflections off the frame/motor:

    Radiation from a Baffled Piston
    Radiation from monopoles, dipoles, quadrupoles
    Sound Radiation from Cylindrical Radiators

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    Re: A speaker physics question.

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    Thanks for the sites GM. This will take a while to absorb. Will report back with couple more questions when Iv'e reread it a few more times.

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